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hamas already accusing israel of breaking the rules of the cease-fire, both sides, hamas and israel claiming victory. where do we move from here and dew think the cease-fire will hold? >> i think it will probably hold temporarily. hamas got what they want out of it. a political victory. there are some concessions out of the israelis on the blockade and no more assassination attempt on their leaders. the israelis exposed their missile defense system and largely defeated the short range missile and rocket system. heather: perhaps that was a short-term goal and the long-term goal perhaps has to do with iran. >> we are seeing a window of a new kind of war. if the israelis attack iran the response will be a three-tiered myself isle and rocket system the world has never seen before. one would be short range that hamas would use. israel defended against those using their so-called iron dome system and they conducted many air attacks against stockpiles and battery sites. the second system would come out of hezbollah from lebanon. they have 100,000 myself isles. those can reach all of israel's major
hamas already accusing israel of breaking the rules of the cease-fire, both sides, hamas and israel claiming victory. where do we move from here and dew think the cease-fire will hold? >> i think it will probably hold temporarily. hamas got what they want out of it. a political victory. there are some concessions out of the israelis on the blockade and no more assassination attempt on their leaders. the israelis exposed their missile defense system and largely defeated the short range...
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they refuse to be critical because they helped with cease-fire and fight between hamas and israel. >> as you imagine, the republican push back on this, and the administration response was fast. john mccain on "fox news sunday." >> renounce the statement and move he just made. allow the judiciary to function. if the judiciary is flawed in some way, that is a ill nose be -- illness cured over time. to assume this power is unacceptable to the united states of america. then we can outline what action might be taken. but first, condemn it. this is not acceptable. this is not what they expect. over dollars will be related to the progress toward democracy. >> senator mccain is helpful here by pointing out that the united states has leverage over egypt. i disagree with jonah on the idea id's a new dictatorship in home of the muslim brotherhood. in the negotiation with israe israel, morsi showed he can separate himself out and fact a pragmatic fashion. i don't know if he is represent brotherhood. the next day cashing in the political capital by declaring yourself unimpeachable dictator of the
they refuse to be critical because they helped with cease-fire and fight between hamas and israel. >> as you imagine, the republican push back on this, and the administration response was fast. john mccain on "fox news sunday." >> renounce the statement and move he just made. allow the judiciary to function. if the judiciary is flawed in some way, that is a ill nose be -- illness cured over time. to assume this power is unacceptable to the united states of america. then we...
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the other big development this week, israel and hamas agreeing to a cease-fire. but, israel says it is going to maintain its border restrictions though they said they'll talk about it. but they certainly will not lift the blockade. the nato blockade and hamas, as was pointed out, number 2, said we are going to keep rockets from gaza that can be fired into israel. how stable is the situation. >> the peace deal is foreseeable. it is not difficult to see already, israel would stop with the assassinations and half mass would stop firing rockets and the second thing is israel would do something with the border crossing, opening the borders, to get commerce activity back to normal which the palestinians dearly want, as well as to have a sense that israel would -- hamas would stop the smuggling of the weapons, coming from syria. and that is why the naval blockade is in place, again, israel fears that the weapons are coming through there and, you have the possibility of the united states coming in and you ask about u.s. pressure and there is also u.s. playing a greater r
the other big development this week, israel and hamas agreeing to a cease-fire. but, israel says it is going to maintain its border restrictions though they said they'll talk about it. but they certainly will not lift the blockade. the nato blockade and hamas, as was pointed out, number 2, said we are going to keep rockets from gaza that can be fired into israel. how stable is the situation. >> the peace deal is foreseeable. it is not difficult to see already, israel would stop with the...
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israel says it will destroy any weapons headed to gaza. the paper says the cargo ship might contain long range ballistic missiles. workers in gaza are rebuilding smuggling tunnels destroyed by air strikes. the iran president called the prime minister to graduate >> congratulate him on the victory. >>> a islamic religious leader says it's the duty of gazaians to support the cease-fire agreement says it's the duty of all residents and not to do so is, in his words a sin. >> david lee miller live in jerusalem thank you. >>> the state department is calling for calm after mohammed morsi's power grab as opposition groups gather to ban the sweeping powers, the white house is quiet. congressman john garamandy joins us now. >> good to be with you. >> your colleagues on the senate side, some have been vocal, senator lindsey graham comes to mind about the issue of funding for egypt. that is something we need to highlight for them in hopes of coercing president morsi to scale back his decree? >> i can be sure president morsi is aware of the american i
israel says it will destroy any weapons headed to gaza. the paper says the cargo ship might contain long range ballistic missiles. workers in gaza are rebuilding smuggling tunnels destroyed by air strikes. the iran president called the prime minister to graduate >> congratulate him on the victory. >>> a islamic religious leader says it's the duty of gazaians to support the cease-fire agreement says it's the duty of all residents and not to do so is, in his words a sin. >>...
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and israel tried hard to get palestine not to go along with today's vote. but they are now down playing it it doesn't give palestine what it wants. it's quiet this morning outside the u.n. but demonstrators are expected to protest the vote on palestinian recognition. palestinians are seeking status as a nonmember observer. palestinians say they need u.n. recognition of a palestinian state in the west bank in order to get israel back to the negotiating table. the u.s. insists on direct negotiations with israel. >> the path to a two state solution is through jerusalem and ramallah, not new york. >> reporter: they recognized the palestine 1977 borders before israel fought and won part of palestinian land. >> we know the occupation will not disappear, we know that there might be certain consequences because israel wants to punish us. >> reporter: president abbas is preparing a speech before the vote. he's hoping to gain support here at the u.n. and at home. abbas palestinian authority was left largely on the sidelines during the battle over the gaza strip. hama
and israel tried hard to get palestine not to go along with today's vote. but they are now down playing it it doesn't give palestine what it wants. it's quiet this morning outside the u.n. but demonstrators are expected to protest the vote on palestinian recognition. palestinians are seeking status as a nonmember observer. palestinians say they need u.n. recognition of a palestinian state in the west bank in order to get israel back to the negotiating table. the u.s. insists on direct...
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they don't see israel and hamas or israel and whoever is in the position of power in gaza agreeing too. the situation in the hospital is really -- >> reporter: 4 this 4-year-old is looking at a bedside story. is he in the hospital, a victim of an age-old conflict that has shattered his family life. the blast sheered off several of joseph's tiny finger, badly injured his father, and took his mother's life. she was among the first to die on the israel side of the border. he was saying my mother is not here. she's with god. he knows it will be a hard time, his grandmother says. hard is putting it mildly. he has just been through a second surgery. doctors at the sheeba medical center reattached four of his fingers, but in the end they had to reamputate two of them. he lives in the south, and there are rockets all the time in that area. hamas doesn't think about where the rockets are going, she says. while he is being treated in this hospital room just one room away there's another child with the same kind of war injuries, except she's from the other side of the conflict. she's from gaza. t
they don't see israel and hamas or israel and whoever is in the position of power in gaza agreeing too. the situation in the hospital is really -- >> reporter: 4 this 4-year-old is looking at a bedside story. is he in the hospital, a victim of an age-old conflict that has shattered his family life. the blast sheered off several of joseph's tiny finger, badly injured his father, and took his mother's life. she was among the first to die on the israel side of the border. he was saying my...
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not only did israel hold its far so did hamas israel is it packing up the 40,000 reserve that it brought down to the gasa border and said time to go on home. they are headlining north as well it shows that israel believes that the seize fire is going to hold going forward. and hamas has not launched rockets. this morning there was an incident that was described as a civilian protest and palestinians from gaza approached the border fence and tried to enter israel. shots were fired and one person was dead in this protest type thing. and it appears as though it will not affect the seize fire. hamas will complain about the situation. and the other thing we are watching in israel is it the news about the bus bombing in tel-aviv. it brought back a fear of the second intnada when the suicide bombers hit the buses. there were more than two dozen people injured and now security services in israel rounded up a number of people and fell they have caught those. and 12 time time 30 here on friday and waiting to see if friday prayers bring pro test in the west bank. back to you. >> leplanned viter, th
not only did israel hold its far so did hamas israel is it packing up the 40,000 reserve that it brought down to the gasa border and said time to go on home. they are headlining north as well it shows that israel believes that the seize fire is going to hold going forward. and hamas has not launched rockets. this morning there was an incident that was described as a civilian protest and palestinians from gaza approached the border fence and tried to enter israel. shots were fired and one person...
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. >> there are signs that things are beginning to get back to normal as israel begins to ease border restrictions into gaza after a cease-fire agreement with hamas the other day and that ended eight days of cross border fighting which claimed the lives of 166 palestinians and six israeli civilians. as part of a truce brokered by egypt israel agreed to ease more restrictions of gaza border blockade after they first took over in 2007. >> no doubt the white house is watching the developments in egypt very closely as the timing of this sweeping power grab raises new questions. president morsi's move coming just a day after egypt helped broker a cease-fire between israel and hamas. molly henneberg is live in washington and molly, we heard that the state department put out a statement on this, but omits one thing which is what? >> his name, president morsi's name. instead the state department says the decisions and declarations in egypt quote, raised concerns for egyptians and the community. and assuring that power would not be overly concentrated in the hand of any one person or instituti
. >> there are signs that things are beginning to get back to normal as israel begins to ease border restrictions into gaza after a cease-fire agreement with hamas the other day and that ended eight days of cross border fighting which claimed the lives of 166 palestinians and six israeli civilians. as part of a truce brokered by egypt israel agreed to ease more restrictions of gaza border blockade after they first took over in 2007. >> no doubt the white house is watching the...
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supported israel, where there is unity in israel. relatively speaking. where the arab and the muslim street haven't risen up. what is the big channel? iran. so, i think it's possible. this is the optimistic view but i mostly believe it. it's quite possible that netanyahu is more strongly positioned to deal with iran at the enof this conflict than ten days ago. >> i call that wildly optimistic. i think hamas has not lost anything. in effect it will come out of these negotiations gained something. we have don't know what it is now. it did this with utter impunity. that in and of itself is a victory. >> i just think that the arab street is still up. when you hear that turkish prime minister calling israelis terrorists and you have the sense that charles calls it pornography but of the death of children among palestinians, there is great upset in the arab world. the question is can -- how does it play in syria? do iranians exploit it to their end? at the moment, if the grand troops can be restrained and netanyahu should be credited with responding to preside
supported israel, where there is unity in israel. relatively speaking. where the arab and the muslim street haven't risen up. what is the big channel? iran. so, i think it's possible. this is the optimistic view but i mostly believe it. it's quite possible that netanyahu is more strongly positioned to deal with iran at the enof this conflict than ten days ago. >> i call that wildly optimistic. i think hamas has not lost anything. in effect it will come out of these negotiations gained...
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israel said they will ease the blockade around gaza, but israel wants guarantees for security because these are two of the really big points that will be worked out in the coming days. still, life in the holy land is beginning to return to some type of normal life here. schools are reopening on both sides of the border. yesterday. israeli children went back to school in southern israel. this coming as stores and markets are reopening and in gaza, palestinian children returned to school for the first time in more than a week. this comes after the rockets and missiles have stopped. there are some signs of legally progress. also we are hearing that palestinian officials in gaza are being able to go out and take boats out and say the fishermen are able to take their boats out. there are positive signs, also most of the israeli troops that begin to mass along the border they have withdrawn from that area. border is being paroled by hamas and israeli troops but a much smaller contingent. all signs of progress in terms of keeping this cease-fire going forward. there are some big issues to be
israel said they will ease the blockade around gaza, but israel wants guarantees for security because these are two of the really big points that will be worked out in the coming days. still, life in the holy land is beginning to return to some type of normal life here. schools are reopening on both sides of the border. yesterday. israeli children went back to school in southern israel. this coming as stores and markets are reopening and in gaza, palestinian children returned to school for the...
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i'm maintaining the treaty with israel. help me navigate through the diplomatic nightmare. >> if only mr. morsi was sophisticated as we hope you from your comments make him out to be. let's remember here, eliot. he's the accidental candidate that became president who essentially is taking orders from the guardian council of the muslim brotherhood which is far more, far more anti-israel far more emphatic in its attitude toward supporting hamas. so it's very hard to say how this all plays out. let's not impute too much so sophistication to a man who is engaged in what essentially is a delicate balancing act between his bosses in the muslim brotherhood leadership on the one hand and on the on the other hand the necessity of not alienating the multilateral donors who are -- who have to provide the funding that will give the muslim brotherhood for all intents and purposes, the capacity to deliver on the economic challenges that it faces domestically. all of the brouhaha aside, the fact of the matter is that i suspect that hamas
i'm maintaining the treaty with israel. help me navigate through the diplomatic nightmare. >> if only mr. morsi was sophisticated as we hope you from your comments make him out to be. let's remember here, eliot. he's the accidental candidate that became president who essentially is taking orders from the guardian council of the muslim brotherhood which is far more, far more anti-israel far more emphatic in its attitude toward supporting hamas. so it's very hard to say how this all plays...
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but where does israel extend the hand of diplomacy, where does israel stand firm? also, as woe are focusing on iran, should isisrael -- should israel be careful not to take its eye off of hamas? >> well, israel extends its hand in diploam ausall the time. we did this time. we are very receptive and very attentive to the wishes and words of secretary clinton. we cooperated with the egyptian president and we gave peace a chance. we also are doing all we can to make the life of our palestinian neighbors better, both in quality and in the standard of living in the west bank. i think that the one thing that the hamas should watch and especially the people in gaza who are held hostage in this world's largest prison by hamas should watch the way their brethren in the west bank live in peace and safety and security and in prosperity. i think most palestinians really want that. at the same time, because hamas is indeed a proxy of iran, we're not taking our eyes off the ball, neither of hamas, nor of iran. and in a way, what you saw over the last few days was also a demonstr
but where does israel extend the hand of diplomacy, where does israel stand firm? also, as woe are focusing on iran, should isisrael -- should israel be careful not to take its eye off of hamas? >> well, israel extends its hand in diploam ausall the time. we did this time. we are very receptive and very attentive to the wishes and words of secretary clinton. we cooperated with the egyptian president and we gave peace a chance. we also are doing all we can to make the life of our...
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this discovery sparks susthat arafat may have been murdered by israel it is it a charge that israel is denying. he died a month after the sudden illness. >> turmoil in the mideast will be front and center. senator john mccane will talk with chris wallace tomorrow about the seize fire. and -- cease fire. check out your local listing for the time and channel. >> back here they are called door busters for a reason. they are taking advantage of black friday deals and over whelming the enerance of a tulsa, oklahoma victoria secret store. there are mobs and anxious shoppers on the hunt for deals. the crowds in georgia reportedly fought for a deal on a cell phone. all of this is part of a kick off to the shopping season. and so with black friday known as the big prize for major retailers. today the spot light falls on the mom and pop stores supporting local stores that are struggling in a tough economy. local retailers are looking for a boost they need. and ther joining us from new york with more on this effort. >> anna. >> hey, there. today is small business saturday and carries more signifi
this discovery sparks susthat arafat may have been murdered by israel it is it a charge that israel is denying. he died a month after the sudden illness. >> turmoil in the mideast will be front and center. senator john mccane will talk with chris wallace tomorrow about the seize fire. and -- cease fire. check out your local listing for the time and channel. >> back here they are called door busters for a reason. they are taking advantage of black friday deals and over whelming the...
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first and foremost, of living up to a peace treaty with israel. it may be our principal, but it is also their practicality. who is going to invest in egypt if it looks like they are trying to invite a conflict with israel? the answer is nobody. the extent to which they are governed by the need to address their economic needs and imperatives suggests to me that there is an approach that we can have and the administration will have. i would note that in the first 24 hours after our embassy was under assault and nothing was done, when he called president morsi and said if you do not protect our people you get nothing but us, all of the and additions that were there for the first so many hours, not wanting to look like the mubarak regime, suddenly all of that disappeared and they provided protection. that means that if we are governed by principals and practicalities -- so much for turning off cell phones. one thing i know for sure is it is not for me. then i think we have a chance to try to shape what can happen in egypt. this is a story written by t
first and foremost, of living up to a peace treaty with israel. it may be our principal, but it is also their practicality. who is going to invest in egypt if it looks like they are trying to invite a conflict with israel? the answer is nobody. the extent to which they are governed by the need to address their economic needs and imperatives suggests to me that there is an approach that we can have and the administration will have. i would note that in the first 24 hours after our embassy was...
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israel wants to deal. if there's no deal, then as they keep saying, all options are still open. >> martin fletcher reporting from tel aviv, thanks so much. >>> we want to bring in our political panel. we have nationally syndicated radio talk show host and msnbc contributor michael and perry bacon, political editor. yes men, great to have you here. it seems that every president in modern times has had to deal with the tensions that flair up within the middle east. they always try to talk about overseeing a long-term cease-fire. as we should on the brink of those discussions right now, between gaza and israel, what is the broader impact of the idea that not only will there be a cease-fire, but the fact that israel's neighbors will verify their right to exist, which is the longer formatted problem? >> well, yeah, i think we shouldn't get ahead of ourselves. i think the first step is to cease hostilities. i think that the state department has already said that's step one for secretary of state clinton's arriva
israel wants to deal. if there's no deal, then as they keep saying, all options are still open. >> martin fletcher reporting from tel aviv, thanks so much. >>> we want to bring in our political panel. we have nationally syndicated radio talk show host and msnbc contributor michael and perry bacon, political editor. yes men, great to have you here. it seems that every president in modern times has had to deal with the tensions that flair up within the middle east. they always try...
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. >> reporter: the agreement calls for israel to stop air strikes and hamas to stop rocket attacks. if that holds for 24 hours, they will talk about border contrs on gaza, and promise no more targeting of hamas leaders. israeli ground troops are mobilized, if there are attacks >> now, i realize that there are citizens who expect a harder military action, and we may very well need to do that. but at the present, the right thing for the state of israel is to exhaust this possibility of reaching a long-term cease-fire. >> reporter: aides say president obama left a summit monday night to call on egypt's president morsi. he then took a call from morsi at 2:30 in the morning, calling again while flying home from cambodia monday night. and in separate calls to netanyahu, mr. obama pressured each to accept, while promising more money for iron dome and other missile defense programs clinton sealed the deal, next went to jerusalem and finally cairo. for final talks with egypt's leaders. nbc's jim maceda has more. >> reporter: morsi, the former muslim brotherhood leader has boosted his credibi
. >> reporter: the agreement calls for israel to stop air strikes and hamas to stop rocket attacks. if that holds for 24 hours, they will talk about border contrs on gaza, and promise no more targeting of hamas leaders. israeli ground troops are mobilized, if there are attacks >> now, i realize that there are citizens who expect a harder military action, and we may very well need to do that. but at the present, the right thing for the state of israel is to exhaust this possibility...
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it is israel's fault. and it's unreasonable to expect egypt or turkey or any other country to put pressure on palestinians. what should be done instead is quite the opposite. the united states is the largest funder of israel. the united states gives $3 billion a year in u.s. taxpayer money to israel in addition to weapons, in addition to political support. if we're going to be serious about moving forward, the role has to come from the united states, pressure from the united states. it's not enough to demand that it come from egypt. >> diana buttu, many thanks for your time. we appreciate it. >> my pleasure. >>> back in the u.s., get ou of the way because black friday is here. people spend long hours in line to score major deals this morning. >> it's affordable right now even if you have to be out here for two days to get it. >> it saves a lot of money like a few hundred dollars. >> cnbc's courtney reagan is in dayton, ohio. how is it going so far out there? >> reporter: you know, so far it looks pretty go
it is israel's fault. and it's unreasonable to expect egypt or turkey or any other country to put pressure on palestinians. what should be done instead is quite the opposite. the united states is the largest funder of israel. the united states gives $3 billion a year in u.s. taxpayer money to israel in addition to weapons, in addition to political support. if we're going to be serious about moving forward, the role has to come from the united states, pressure from the united states. it's not...
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. >>> there were signs truce between israel and hamas is taking hold this weekend. palestinian sources say israel has eased restriction on gaza fishermen allowing them to go up to six miles from shore. the fishermen were restricted to three miles into the mediterranean. palestinian farmers resumed tending land. hamas official say egyptian and israeli officials are expected to meet monday to discuss details of that cease-fire. >>> to egypt now where what's happening makes well, the arab spring look like it never ended. we remember the crowds of demonstrators, protesters, a regime bent on consolidating and preserving its power. that was then. this is the scene right now. demonstrators are back spending the night in tahrir square. president mohamed morsi announced sweeping new powers for himself. ordering egyptian court not to overturn any decree or law issued since he took office. as the crowds gather there's a growing unease over what could happen next. >> reporter: demonstrations continue against egyptian president mohamed morrissey not the big numbers that we saw o
. >>> there were signs truce between israel and hamas is taking hold this weekend. palestinian sources say israel has eased restriction on gaza fishermen allowing them to go up to six miles from shore. the fishermen were restricted to three miles into the mediterranean. palestinian farmers resumed tending land. hamas official say egyptian and israeli officials are expected to meet monday to discuss details of that cease-fire. >>> to egypt now where what's happening makes well,...
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that is good for israel. that is also good for gaza. >> mark regev, thank you for joining me. >> reporter: my pleasure, sir. >> abdullah is the charlotte motor speedwmo president of the committee. >> reporter: i hope the americans will not go forward with another mistake. the palestine and the palestine question is indivisible, gaza is part of the palestinian people. and the question of the leadership is authentic. the people elected the leader of the palestinian people. but the americans try to divert their attention from the central issue of how to go about making peace in the middle east, and try to concentrate just how to control one party or another, this will be a grave mistake, this service -- a disservice to peace and to the stability of the region. >> so are you personally concerned that all the dealings here appear to have been done directly with hamas, and not with a wider group to include president abbas? >> well, president abbas was not absent from these negotiations. of course, when there is a f
that is good for israel. that is also good for gaza. >> mark regev, thank you for joining me. >> reporter: my pleasure, sir. >> abdullah is the charlotte motor speedwmo president of the committee. >> reporter: i hope the americans will not go forward with another mistake. the palestine and the palestine question is indivisible, gaza is part of the palestinian people. and the question of the leadership is authentic. the people elected the leader of the palestinian people....
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. >>> there are signs of the truce between israel and hamas is holding this weekend. palestinian sources say israel has eased restrictions on gazan fishermen, allowing them to go up to six miles from shore. the fishermen had been restricted from going more than about three miles into the mediterranean. also palestinian farmers have resumed tending their land along the israeli border. a hamas official says that egyptian and israeli officials are expected to meet monday to discuss details of that cease-fire. >>> to egypt, what's happening there now makes it look like the arab spring never ended. this is the scene tonight in cairo. demonstrators back spending the night in tahrir square. president mohamed morsi has announced sweeping new powers for himself ordering egyptian courts not to overturn any decree or law issued since he took office. this dramatic video is from the city of damanur where members of the muslim brotherhood exchanged gunfire with anti-morsi protesters. reza sayah is tracking the story for us in cairo. >> reporter: demonstrations continue against egyp
. >>> there are signs of the truce between israel and hamas is holding this weekend. palestinian sources say israel has eased restrictions on gazan fishermen, allowing them to go up to six miles from shore. the fishermen had been restricted from going more than about three miles into the mediterranean. also palestinian farmers have resumed tending their land along the israeli border. a hamas official says that egyptian and israeli officials are expected to meet monday to discuss...
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this was something president obama initiated in israel. was there really going to be daylight between israel and president obama? absolutely none. so iran going forward had to think, do i want to take a chance on there being any daylight going forward? it was a test here. incidentally, they thought would egypt advocate the peace treaty over this? it didn't happen. all the things forecast during the campaign were put to a very specific concrete test. and every claim that governor romney made was absolutely shown to be unwarranted. >> okay. i'm supposed to go, but i'm going to give you 15 seconds to respond. >> as of today, richard is correct, but the jewish population supported romney. he must have believed that romney was better, but it is done. the presidential race is over and hopefully the president can broker real peace. real republicans need to stand behind him and hope he's able to do that. >> happy thanksgiving. >>> here at home the american thanksgiving tradition is in full swing. up next, we are live at the macy's thanksgiving day
this was something president obama initiated in israel. was there really going to be daylight between israel and president obama? absolutely none. so iran going forward had to think, do i want to take a chance on there being any daylight going forward? it was a test here. incidentally, they thought would egypt advocate the peace treaty over this? it didn't happen. all the things forecast during the campaign were put to a very specific concrete test. and every claim that governor romney made was...
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>> you know, israel and egypt fought wars in the past. we fought bloody wars and people on both sides lost their lives in 1948 and 1956 and 1967 and again in 1973. in the late 1970s we signed a peace treaty with israel that has brought peace to the border, and i think that's in the interests of both countries to keep that peace treaty. that's in the israeli interests and the egyptian interests. we have hamas that shares a common border with egypt and israel, and we think both sides have an interest to make sure that mass and the other extremists in gaza don't stir up trouble. don't cause friction. don't create violence. and i think we and the egyptians work together on keeping the peace and on trying to make sure the terrorists don't dictate the agenda. >> mark, suggestions that this past eight, nine days was a practice run, if you will, for any faw tour confrontation, testing, identifying hamas' capabilities, is that true enough? and if so, what did you learn? >> well, first of all, we know the rockets that were fired at tel aviv and jer
>> you know, israel and egypt fought wars in the past. we fought bloody wars and people on both sides lost their lives in 1948 and 1956 and 1967 and again in 1973. in the late 1970s we signed a peace treaty with israel that has brought peace to the border, and i think that's in the interests of both countries to keep that peace treaty. that's in the israeli interests and the egyptian interests. we have hamas that shares a common border with egypt and israel, and we think both sides have...
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presses for a ceasefire between israel and hamas. it's a delicate balancing act for the new egyptian leader who was swept to power at the backing of the muslim brother who had who has historically been an ally of hamas. jim maceda joins us from cairo. to me this is the most fascinating subplot within the tension between israel and hamas, the role of egypt. what is mohamed morsi's role in all of this and is there any sense of agreement from the egyptians they're trying to help ease the tension? we know president obama has been on the phone with mohamed morsi constantly over the last 48 hours. >> reporter: hi there, luke. we'll get more of an idea after secretary of state clinton meets with president morsi. she is just wrapping up that meeting. she is then going to see the foreign minister here and then give a press conference. hopefully in terms of the agreement, the second part of your question, we'll be getting some answers. in terms of morsi's role, as you say, he's a key mediator here. and if he emerges with a deal, there's no que
presses for a ceasefire between israel and hamas. it's a delicate balancing act for the new egyptian leader who was swept to power at the backing of the muslim brother who had who has historically been an ally of hamas. jim maceda joins us from cairo. to me this is the most fascinating subplot within the tension between israel and hamas, the role of egypt. what is mohamed morsi's role in all of this and is there any sense of agreement from the egyptians they're trying to help ease the tension?...
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israel is not under the bus. the fact is that president obama, and we shall not forget it, helped us to find us those missiles. and security -- we asked them. they responded positively. and is the president of the united states. we enjoy the support of the two parties. and it is -- and i don't want to say anything against candidate romney any time. but we are not taking parts in the american campaign. and we are lucky to have the support of the two parties. and until -- it's hard to become the president of the united states. and i met all the presidents for the last 50 years, republicans and democrats. i must say, most of them are exceedingly friendly. exceedingly. >> so what about you? you're getting close to 90 years old. that's hard to believe. you look so great. how do you feel? >> i feel that i am too young to do the job. what can i tell you? >> because you still have some energy left. >> i think that everybody can be like me. and i think i'm lucky to show my people. i'm here not to woo the people. someone h
israel is not under the bus. the fact is that president obama, and we shall not forget it, helped us to find us those missiles. and security -- we asked them. they responded positively. and is the president of the united states. we enjoy the support of the two parties. and it is -- and i don't want to say anything against candidate romney any time. but we are not taking parts in the american campaign. and we are lucky to have the support of the two parties. and until -- it's hard to become the...
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launch a ground war and they have proven they can stand up to israel and they are claiming that israel and the world negotiated because of their rockets attacks not despite them and they achieved the promise of the blockade of gaza. and contrast that with the leadership of their rival party, led by palestinian president who preach add nonviolent approach to negotiations with israel, in the eyes of many palestinians, that has achieved little. that could be perception rather than reality but perception sometimes is reality there and powerful israeli voices agree. the former chief of the israeli defense forces, now a political rival of binyamin netanyahu, says the goals of hiation were not reached and the next round is only a matter of time. we should not have stopped at this stage. hamas got stronger and we did not gain deterrent. prime minister binyamin netanyahu would say his goal immediately was to stop rocket attacks and he did that and wait and see. >>gregg: are there historical parallels here? >>jonathan: if you accept the premise, as many middle east experts do, that what has has
launch a ground war and they have proven they can stand up to israel and they are claiming that israel and the world negotiated because of their rockets attacks not despite them and they achieved the promise of the blockade of gaza. and contrast that with the leadership of their rival party, led by palestinian president who preach add nonviolent approach to negotiations with israel, in the eyes of many palestinians, that has achieved little. that could be perception rather than reality but...
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it's either us or israel in this land. these are the dead from one family: four children who died with their father and mother, their aunts and their sisters. the house where they lived and perished in an instant has been wiped from the earth, whether this was the result of a misguided missile isn't clear. israel says it was targeting aha mass official. but both sides know that this grim spectacle adds to the pressure on israel to hold its fire. israel says the high price it extracts from its enemies, it is only guarantee of safety. but here in gaza often that means that the innocent bear the cost. that not only fuels the hatred but the desire for revenge. this person survived the explosion that killed so many of his family. he has run out of hope. >> everything is lost. everything. it's getting worse and worse and worse. >> reporter: day six of this war began with the destruction of the gaza sports stadium. used israel claims as a training camp for terrorists. this conflict has not yet run its course nor claimed its last
it's either us or israel in this land. these are the dead from one family: four children who died with their father and mother, their aunts and their sisters. the house where they lived and perished in an instant has been wiped from the earth, whether this was the result of a misguided missile isn't clear. israel says it was targeting aha mass official. but both sides know that this grim spectacle adds to the pressure on israel to hold its fire. israel says the high price it extracts from its...
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>> israel's brinkmanship with hamas fueling speculation that israel is using the conflict as a test run for an attack on iran and a way to locate locations. bing ram is author of into the fire 0, the most extraordinary battle in the afghan war. good to see you. if this is not at all about gaza but indeed about iran and this is a test to see what sort of nuclear and arms iran has, and if it is a test, what have we learned? >> to the extent that it is a test of missiles and whether you can shoot them down the advantage goes to israel. they've shown they have an antimissile system. on the political grounds, clearly prime minister morsi of egypt has come out as being the most powerful local figure in the arab middle east. the third thing that is really puzzling, about three weeks ago the united states held an exercise with israel where we had american troops on the ground at our antimissile batteries inside israel. so that leaves open the question whether president obama is thinking that we'd have americans in israel involved if there were a war between israel and iran. >> let's break t
>> israel's brinkmanship with hamas fueling speculation that israel is using the conflict as a test run for an attack on iran and a way to locate locations. bing ram is author of into the fire 0, the most extraordinary battle in the afghan war. good to see you. if this is not at all about gaza but indeed about iran and this is a test to see what sort of nuclear and arms iran has, and if it is a test, what have we learned? >> to the extent that it is a test of missiles and whether...
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and israel in september i remember seeing headline where israel complimented hamas on the help it was offering so i really don't think those rockets which are long-standing issue can possibly explain why this crisis broke out at this time. i think it is about israeli electoral politics. it was something killed by those rockets. >> jennifer: juan cole, thank you very much. >> until the outbreak of this war. >> jennifer: until the outbreak of this current conflict. juan, thank you for joining us. go blue. juan cole from the university of michigan. coming up, walmart calls black friday its super bowl. but is the game rigged? a walmart employee tells us why she plans to spend the day on the picket line. plus, it's rule number 28 for politicians. never trust your future to a guy named grover. why mr. norquist and his infamous pledge may be up against the ropes. that and much more right after the break. at cepacol we've heard people are going to extremes to relieve their sore throats. oh, okay, you don't need to do that. but i don't want any more of the usual lozenges and i want new cooling
and israel in september i remember seeing headline where israel complimented hamas on the help it was offering so i really don't think those rockets which are long-standing issue can possibly explain why this crisis broke out at this time. i think it is about israeli electoral politics. it was something killed by those rockets. >> jennifer: juan cole, thank you very much. >> until the outbreak of this war. >> jennifer: until the outbreak of this current conflict. juan, thank...
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and in to israel in general. the other issues may not necessarily be involved hamas but the egyptians and the smuggling of weapons in to the gaza strip and more often than not go through the sinai peninsula and egypt's territorial waters and probably pressure on egypt to deliver and secure that smuggling route so that weapons don't end up in hamas' hand. that's what they brought to the table. certainly hamas would only do so with assurances that israel going to stop assassination of the leaders and easing of the blockade and we understand issues discussed perhaps in coming days or weeks. it is really -- it goes back to a central issue, this buys time for the people of did za in terms of attacks and doesn't address the larger issue of gaza in context of the ongoing israeli-palestinian conflict and something people say has to be addressed, part of a larger picture. not an isolated one. >> thanks so much. >>> we want to go to tel aviv and correspondent stephanie gosk joins me. as you were hearing in the reporting, u
and in to israel in general. the other issues may not necessarily be involved hamas but the egyptians and the smuggling of weapons in to the gaza strip and more often than not go through the sinai peninsula and egypt's territorial waters and probably pressure on egypt to deliver and secure that smuggling route so that weapons don't end up in hamas' hand. that's what they brought to the table. certainly hamas would only do so with assurances that israel going to stop assassination of the leaders...
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israel siberia maybe not the stuff of tourist brochures but distinctive enough to show that after all these yeahs siberia still not quite like anywhere else. cultures that so much given to each musician my remark was revolutionary dictator in the making of president mohamed morsi the presidential decrees granting him wide powers has reopened the debate about. wealthy british style stock. markets. find out what's really happening to the global economy with. the no holds barred look at the global financial headlines to report. to the. science technology innovation all the developments from around russia we've. covered. the life here in moscow a economic predicament fell public mood and now for us to contend with a tide of home grown terrorists and the cause of it. short of cash and opportunities of flocking to radical islam those. reports stopping the trend is not proving easy. the recent national police raid on radical islamist groups in france made headlines with a rasta made in all regions the youngest suspected terrorist was only nineteen but it was not the age which shocked so many
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in recent days, he'd garnered worldwide praise for mediating a cease-fire between israel and hamas. today, he told a supportive crowd outside the presidential palace in cairo that granting himself sweeping powers was necessary to prevent figures from the old regime from halting progress. >> ( translated ): i haven't taken a decision to use it against anyone-- to go against anyone is something that i could never be associated with-- or announcing that i am biased towards anyone. however, i must put myself on a clear path that will lead to the achievement of a clear goal. >> brown: the president's backers insisted the decree would be in effect only until a new constitution is approved. >> ( translated ): yes, he might be a dictator for the time being or might have unprecedented power throughout this period of two months, but after that, these powers will be transferred to an elected parliament. >> brown: but tens of thousands of anti-morsi protesters rallied in tahrir square, the heart of last year's popular revolution that led to end of the regime of hosni mubarak. they threw rocks a
in recent days, he'd garnered worldwide praise for mediating a cease-fire between israel and hamas. today, he told a supportive crowd outside the presidential palace in cairo that granting himself sweeping powers was necessary to prevent figures from the old regime from halting progress. >> ( translated ): i haven't taken a decision to use it against anyone-- to go against anyone is something that i could never be associated with-- or announcing that i am biased towards anyone. however, i...
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of engaging with the state of israel in comparison to mahmoud abbas is really seen. in the western world as much more moderate in comparison to present in the hard line position including the resistance against the state of israel so what we have here is a palestinian political dynamic as well if the western world and the u.n. does not support this increase status for the palestinian people then what will almost certainly happen will be that mahmoud abbas is seen as even weaker of the palestinian national representative and hamas will be further strengthened to the dismay of israel and the united states. well one of the biggest questions concerning the possible recognition of palestinian statehood at the u.n. is whether that will put the peace process with israel back on track our policy here looks at what people in both camps expect. palestinian president mahmoud abbas still has to present his case to the united nations but his supporters are already cheering a move that promises palestinians more legal clout on the international stage ever they decide to take any p
of engaging with the state of israel in comparison to mahmoud abbas is really seen. in the western world as much more moderate in comparison to present in the hard line position including the resistance against the state of israel so what we have here is a palestinian political dynamic as well if the western world and the u.n. does not support this increase status for the palestinian people then what will almost certainly happen will be that mahmoud abbas is seen as even weaker of the...
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state department, they don't recognize israel, state of israel. but it's a very powerful, military component and the social component. >> it's important to recognize there are multiple facets of hamas. born in the 1980s, came out of the muslim brotherhood where you see other alliances developing with other countries and you mentioned because they're born of the muslim brotherhood as well. born as a resistance movement but quickly realized that provide for the people would win the hearts and minds. and so yes you have the political wing, military wing, and the social wing, runs schools, hospitals, and they get the grassroots support, mainly from that side of things. >> what does it mean? you've got the cease-fire that happens. if there is in fact a time of calm here, what is the outcome of all of this? i mean, does hamas stay where it is or do they grow, do they become more powerful? who are losers and who are the winners? >> the pessimist in me, i said last time, i predicted they would come to a truce before a ground engagement happened and everyo
state department, they don't recognize israel, state of israel. but it's a very powerful, military component and the social component. >> it's important to recognize there are multiple facets of hamas. born in the 1980s, came out of the muslim brotherhood where you see other alliances developing with other countries and you mentioned because they're born of the muslim brotherhood as well. born as a resistance movement but quickly realized that provide for the people would win the hearts...
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israel says three rockets were launched from gaza into israel on thursday. and a shooting incident at the border today has both sides on edge. joining me now is sara sidner in jerusalem. sara, hamas is saying right now that some israeli troops opened fire on palestinian citizens. what can you tell us? >> reporter: well, they have very differing story from what the israeli military's saying. here's what the hamas health ministry has said. they said that one person was killed and that 24 people were injured. they say that they were farmers, they were on the gaza side of the border and that the israeli military opened fire on them. however, in talking to the israeli military, they say that there were several groups of men who were protesting, come up to the fence, some trying to enter israel and that the soldiers fired in the air warning shots. when the warnings were not heeded, they began firing toward their legs. the israeli military has not confirmed yet that there's been a death or any injuries. they are investigating. but what makes it significant is that
israel says three rockets were launched from gaza into israel on thursday. and a shooting incident at the border today has both sides on edge. joining me now is sara sidner in jerusalem. sara, hamas is saying right now that some israeli troops opened fire on palestinian citizens. what can you tell us? >> reporter: well, they have very differing story from what the israeli military's saying. here's what the hamas health ministry has said. they said that one person was killed and that 24...
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one is israel is a great ally, there's domestic political support for a strong relationship with israel. at the same time it's also supposed to be the kind of neutral arbiter, the mediator in the region that will bring this about. it seems we don't do a good job of playing those two rules. >> well those two roles have also been intentioned, they've grown more intentioned over time. you had eight years of an administration that really gave up on trying to play the arbiter role, at which point the figure leaf kind of came away. the administration did a great job actually tactically, playing both of those roles in a way that they hadn't done at all during the first term, sending the secretary of state out to be the arbiter while the president could give the defender of israel speeches like that that's a tactical solution that doesn't get anywhere near the long-term structural problem that it isn't the same middle east that it was five years ago. what do you do instead? how do you serve the long-term interests of israel, especially when maybe many americans don't see israel's long-term inte
one is israel is a great ally, there's domestic political support for a strong relationship with israel. at the same time it's also supposed to be the kind of neutral arbiter, the mediator in the region that will bring this about. it seems we don't do a good job of playing those two rules. >> well those two roles have also been intentioned, they've grown more intentioned over time. you had eight years of an administration that really gave up on trying to play the arbiter role, at which...
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on the table, opening border crossings and easing israel's economic blockade in gautds intra. >>> u.s. senator john mccain is softening language on the potential nomination of susan rice to become the next u.s. secretary of state following harsh criticism of the administration's response to the attack on the u.s. consulate in benghazi, libya. >> i give everyone the benefit of explaining their position and the actions that they took. and i'll be glad to have the opportunity to discuss these issues with her. >> the arizona republican had blasted the u.n. ambassador for what she said about the attack in ben gauzy just days after it happened. rice going off talking points provided by the fbi and cia suggested the attack could have been linked to protests against an anti-muslim film. mccain had accused her of being unfit to become secretary of state and had vowed to block her nomination. >>> the muslim brotherhood is claiming on its website that one of its members, a 15-year-old boy, was killed today. and another 60 people injured in an attack on the group's headquarters in the egyptian to
on the table, opening border crossings and easing israel's economic blockade in gautds intra. >>> u.s. senator john mccain is softening language on the potential nomination of susan rice to become the next u.s. secretary of state following harsh criticism of the administration's response to the attack on the u.s. consulate in benghazi, libya. >> i give everyone the benefit of explaining their position and the actions that they took. and i'll be glad to have the opportunity to...
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he sent a stern warning today to israel threatening major retaliation if israel makes a move on lebanon. hezbollah is not involved in the renewed hostilities but they have fought with israel in the past. tensions their shared border really has never gone away. >>> at least 117 people are dead after a massive fire at a clothing factory in bangladesh. it happened outside the capital city of dhaka. you can see every window is lit with flames. some workers tried to escape out the windows. there were about 2,000 workers, mostly women, in that factory and they expect, unfortunately, the death toll to rise. >>> well, they took a week off for thanksgiving, but congress gets back to work starting tomorrow. time is short, but they have a lot on their agenda. the senate returns tomorrow, the house officially goes back into session on tuesday. the so-called fiscal cliff is the biggest item that is sitting on the congressional agenda. if president obama and congress don't reach some sort of deal, huge tax increases and spending cuts would automatically kick in january 1. todayself republica selveral
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and frankly for israel that is not a policy that is. beneficial to their interests at the end of the day we're faced with either a diplomatic resolution to this standoff or we see the escalating pressure or the escalating antagonism that cannot survive indefinitely that eventually is going to reach a tipping point and whether it's deliberate or it's accidental we're going to end up in a war. i can also catch up more news online including losing live for the big screen while thousands cheer a much anticipated film from a year of the hobbit activists claimed not all the at all survived the filming learn more at r.t. dot com plus some thiering to purchase my be on the brink of an apocalypse one chinese man has decided to blow his entire life savings to construct a modern day knows are more online patrick so you don't com. now the defense team for u.s. soldier bradley manning who's accused of releasing secret army files to wiki leaks claims he was abused and detention at ernie kavin disease believes manning started paying for his alleged cr
and frankly for israel that is not a policy that is. beneficial to their interests at the end of the day we're faced with either a diplomatic resolution to this standoff or we see the escalating pressure or the escalating antagonism that cannot survive indefinitely that eventually is going to reach a tipping point and whether it's deliberate or it's accidental we're going to end up in a war. i can also catch up more news online including losing live for the big screen while thousands cheer a...
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would say if 700 rockets hit you, israel has a right to self-defense. if this gets out of hand, you have a new government in egypt that shares some roots, some political roots, with hamas but doesn't want to wreck its relationship with us. you have the situation in syria that is so violent and i think israel knows that it wants to be careful not to let this out of hand. and so maybe this three party, i agree with martin, this three-party agreement could be very important and maybe a sign that in his second term president obama is going to get more engaged in the peace process. there has been talk of sending president clinton as a mideast envoy. i thought that was an intriguing idea. but at least i think this is -- these are all very good signs for the situation. >> e.j., stay with us, and martin fletcher, thanks to you. i want to bring in senator chris koonce. senator, good morning. >> good morning 0, chris. >> the senate did unanimously pass that resolution standing by israel, something you co-response arored. what do you think hillary clinton brings t
would say if 700 rockets hit you, israel has a right to self-defense. if this gets out of hand, you have a new government in egypt that shares some roots, some political roots, with hamas but doesn't want to wreck its relationship with us. you have the situation in syria that is so violent and i think israel knows that it wants to be careful not to let this out of hand. and so maybe this three party, i agree with martin, this three-party agreement could be very important and maybe a sign that...
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we're going to talk to israel's former u.n. ambassador about hamas and the possibility of long-term peace next. speech you the leader of hamas is a cease-fire will get underway within an hour. they are the terrorist group speaking to reuters news agency on this. a spokesman for benjamin netanyahu says we are not there yet. israel remains concerned about a long-term solution. especially considering the indiscriminate tactics used by hamas and other groups. >> they do not share are concerned about civilian casualties at all. they are deliberately and indiscriminately targeting our citizens, and they have deliberately been hiding behind their civilians. they use their own children as human shields. jenna: ambassador dan tillerman joins us now. great to have you in new york. >> it's great to be here for you jenna: let's talk about the cease-fire that we are hearing about. how reliable is a cease-fire build upon this relationship with this new president in egypt? to well, that is a very big question mark. president mohammed morsi is
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they have constantly encouraged attacks against israel. iran has played a major role in terms of being the provider of the arsenal that existed there. my guess is they will now try to replenish it because the israelis have stepped back that arsenal in a fairly significant way. >> what about the suggestion that israel was doing all of this and while doing this over the last eight, nine days they were testing out the resources that hamas has and those being supported and supplied by iran? i mean, in that sense did iran play its role? >> well, again, i think we have to put it in some perspective. israel acted because they were not prepared to allow hamas to create what i call a new normal, meaning that you can't have a cease fire and hamas decides or islamist jihad decides they will disrupt whenever they want to. you can't fire rockets on an increasingly shorter interval so that they have their life constantly disrupted. the israelis saw this taking place and hamas was having more involvement in the attacks. the israelis decided they could no
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israel and hamas agreeing to a cease-fire but israel says it's going to maintain its border restriction even though they'll talk about it but not lift the naval block aid and hamas says they'll arm gaza with rockets that could be fired into israel. how stable is this situation? >> i think there's a peace deal that's foreseeable. it's not difficult to to foresee. the deal is israel stop with the assassinations and hamas stop firing the rockets. the second part is israel would do something in terms of the border crossing, get activity back to normal which is something the palestinians dearly want as well as to have a sense that hamas would stop smuggling of weapons coming from syria. that's why the naval blockade is in place. they have the possibility of the united states coming in. you asked about u.s. pressure but also the u.s. playing a greater role. if the obama administration says let's let them settle it themself but they said we'll play a more aggressive role. that's the challenge for the obama administration in the second term where as in the first term they wanted a light footpri
israel and hamas agreeing to a cease-fire but israel says it's going to maintain its border restriction even though they'll talk about it but not lift the naval block aid and hamas says they'll arm gaza with rockets that could be fired into israel. how stable is this situation? >> i think there's a peace deal that's foreseeable. it's not difficult to to foresee. the deal is israel stop with the assassinations and hamas stop firing the rockets. the second part is israel would do something...
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will hamas agree not to throw rockets into israel, which was the main demand that israel had? if you remember, unlike -- when they wanted to get rid of the hamas leadership in gaza, they never said that this time. this was not about regime change or getting rid of hamas. it was about stopping those rockets. if that happens, that will be good for israel. and for hamas, if they manage to get their leaders to be able to survive and not be able to be assassinate bid israel that, would be good, and also if they get the blockade lifted that, will be good too. that's what they wanted. hamas, of course, has emerge as diplomatically triumphant only because it's failed to be isolated as israel, other countries have wanted in the past. >> and as we have always said, by all parties, want to walk away from this claiming victory, and we'll see if that actually occurs. christian, we'll be back with you shortly. thank so much. >> still 52 minutes before the cease-fire is expected to take hold, and we'll see. i mean, we will see how this develops throughout the afternoon, whether or not this i
will hamas agree not to throw rockets into israel, which was the main demand that israel had? if you remember, unlike -- when they wanted to get rid of the hamas leadership in gaza, they never said that this time. this was not about regime change or getting rid of hamas. it was about stopping those rockets. if that happens, that will be good for israel. and for hamas, if they manage to get their leaders to be able to survive and not be able to be assassinate bid israel that, would be good, and...